Forth Standards Meeting Draft (1) Agenda

14-15 Sept 2022 15:00-19:00 UTC

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Wednesday, 14th September (UTC)

• 14:30 Get together - Setup your gear and smalltalk
• 14:50 Call to order - get ready (please be online by now)
• 15:00 Session 3
• 17:00 Bio Break
• 17:15 Session 4
• 19:00 End of main session
• Workshops

Thursday, 15th September (UTC)

• Workshops
• 14:30 Get together - Setup your gear and smalltalk
• 14:50 Call to order - get ready (please be online by now)
• 15:00 Session 5
• 17:00 Bio Break
• 17:15 Session 6
• 19:00 End of Standards Meeting

Friday: euroForth conference

Agenda

2022-09-08

Participants

1. Welcome
2. Determine the persons present
3. Meeting transcript

Review of Procedures

1. How we organize this meeting

2. Progress of current work

   • Draft Document update (last draft is from 2019)
   • Are we ready for a new Standard snapshop (Forth2023)?
   • How can we speed up our work?
   • How we can better serve the Forth community?
   • How can we encourage Forthers to submit proposals?

   Pending Topics include:
   with some progress:

   • recognizers
   • multi-threaded multitasking with little progress:
   • memory access (16/32/64-Bit, RAM/ROM)
   • reduce ambiguous conditions

3. What are addtional topics for future standardisation?

Reports

1. Chair
2. Editor
3. Technical
4. Treasurer

Election/Confirmation of officers

If you would like to stand for election, please suggest your name and please shortly introduce yourself.

We have to elect (by secret ballot) a Chair, Editor, Technical Officer and a Treasurer.

1. Chair (currently Ulrich Hoffman)
2. Editor (currently Peter Knaggs)
3. Technical (currently Gerald Wodni)
4. Treasurer (currently Bernd Paysan)

Review of Proposals/Contributions

Proposals from forth-standard.org/proposals

Proposals in the state formal

1. Specify that 0 THROW pops the 0 (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/specify-that-0-throw-pops-the-0#reply-794) 2022-02-19 19:04:45 - AntonErtl

Proposals in the state voting

1. PLACE +PLACE (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/place-place#reply-745) 2021-09-08 21:15:27 - UlrichHoffmann

Proposals in the state informal

We have a lots of informal proposals with open status (moved to an appendix at the end for clarity).
We should discuss we handle them best.

Contributions on forth-standard.org since last meeting

There are a lot of contributions since the interim March meeting. Find them in the appendix.

Workshop Topics

Workshops are topics for discussion outside the formal meeting. We will collect topics on the fly during the meeting's discussions.

Consideration of proposals + CfV votes

• Which proposals should go for vote?
• Any topics for proposal in the pipiline?

Workshop reports

Let's collect the results of our workshops.

Matters arising

Whats up?

Any other business

Something else?

Date of next meeting

When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?

Appendix to Review of Proposals/Contributions

Proposals in the state informal (most recent first)

1. Pronounciations (pronounciations #261) 2022-08-19 18:00:05 - AntonErtl

2. Exclude zero from the data types that are identifiers (exclude-zero-from-the-data-types-that-are-identifiers #252) 2022-08-13 23:24:52 - ruv

3. Clarification for execution token (clarification-for-execution-token #251) 2022-08-13 20:16:29 - ruv

4. Formatting: spaces in data type symbols (formatting-spaces-in-data-type-symbols #250) 2022-08-12 15:04:29 - ruv

5. Revert rewording the term "execution token" (revert-rewording-the-term-execution-token- #249) 2022-08-12 14:18:35 - ruv

6. Better wording for "Glossary notation" (better-wording-for-glossary-notation- #215) 2021-09-24 11:33:41 - ruv

7. Better wording for "data field" term (better-wording-for-data-field-term #214) 2021-09-14 08:55:49 - ruv

8. Tick and undefined execution semantics - 2 (tick-and-undefined-execution-semantics-2 #212) 2021-09-08 10:15:49 - StephenPelc

9. EMIT and non-ASCII values (emit-and-non-ascii-values #184) 2021-04-03 15:34:40 - AntonErtl

10. Tick and undefined execution semantics (tick-and-undefined-execution-semantics #163) 2020-10-29 00:28:43 - ruv

11. Common terminology for recognizers discurse and specifications (common-terminology-for-recognizers-discurse-and-specifications #161) 2020-09-07 13:56:43 - ruv

12. minimalistic core API for recognizers (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/minimalistic-core-api-for-recognizers#reply-867)

13. An alternative to the RECOGNIZER proposal (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/an-alternative-to-the-recognizer-proposal#reply-493) 2020-09-05 15:09:39 AndrewHaley

14. Call for Vote - Ambiguous condition in 16.3.3 (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/call-for-vote-ambiguous-condition-in-16-3-3#reply-460) 2020-09-02 11:16:03 - StephenPelc

15. XML Forth Standard - migration from LaTeX to DocBook (xml-forth-standard-migration-from-latex-to-docbook #154) 2020-09-01 21:16:26 - GeraldWodni

16. Nestable Recognizer Sequences (nestable-recognizer-sequences #149) 2020-08-22 16:09:52 - AntonErtl

17. OPTIONAL IEEE 754 BINARY FLOATING-POINT WORD SET (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/optional-ieee-754-binary-floating-point-word-set#reply-420) 2020-08-24 23:38:37 - KrishnaMyneni

18. Recognizer (recognizer #142) 2020-07-20 20:36:30 - BerndPaysan

19. Same name token for different words (same-name-token-for-different-words #136)

20. Recognizer RfD rephrase 2020 (recognizer-rfd-rephrase-2020 #131)

21. NAME>INTERPRET wording (name-interpret-wording #129) 2020-02-20 09:55:14 - ruv

22. Clarify FIND, more classic approach (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/clarify-find-more-classic-approach#reply-682) 2019-10-08 11:01:25 - ruv

23. Remove the “rules of FIND” (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/remove-the-rules-of-find-#reply-465 ) 2019-09-12 09:09:51 - BerndPaysan

24. Case insensitivity (case-insensitivity #114) 2019-09-06 18:27:48 - AntonErtl

25. CS-DROP (revised 2019-08-22) (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/cs-drop-revised-2019-08-22-#reply-471) 2019-09-06 08:24:28 - UlrichHoffmann

26. Right-justified text output (right-justified-text-output #101) 2019-08-01 22:07:03 - mcondron

27. Executing compilation semantics (executing-compilation-semantics #94) 2019-07-12 04:16:14 - ruv

28. Revise Rationale of Buffer: (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/revise-rationale-of-buffer-#reply-247) 2019-07-06 15:45:25 AntonErtl

29. F>R and FR> to support dynamically-scoped floating point variables (f-r-and-fr-to-support-dynamically-scoped-floating-point-variables #75) 2019-03-03 06:20:52 - kc5tja

30. Case sensitivity (case-sensitivity #73) 2018-11-03 13:15:53 - ruv

31. Revised Proposal Process (revised-proposal-process #71) 2018-09-21 06:49:42 - PeterKnaggs

32. Multi-Tasking Proposal (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/multi-tasking-proposal#reply-186) 2018-09-06 17:19:38 - AndrewHaley

33. CS-DROP (revised 2018-08-20) (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/cs-drop-revised-2018-08-20-#reply-302 ) 2018-08-20 20:22:25 - UlrichHoffmann

34. S( "Request for Discussion" (revised 2018-08-16) (s-request-for-discussion-revised-2018-08-16- #65) 2018-08-17 16:27:53 - UlrichHoffmann

35. Let us adopt the Gerry Jackson test suite as part of Forth 200x (let-us-adopt-the-gerry-jackson-test-suite-as-part-of-forth-200x #63) 2018-07-10 14:38:46 - StephenPelc

36. Tighten the specification of SYNONYM (version 1) (tighten-the-specification-of-synonym-version-1- #60) 2018-06-08 10:09:18 - GerryJackson

37. EXCEPTION LOCALs (exception-locals #36) 2017-10-28 07:04:49 - AndrewRead

38. BL rationale is wrong (bl-rationale-is-wrong #34) 2017-10-25 11:35:46 - AntonErtl

39. The value of STATE should be restored (the-value-of-state-should-be-restored #32) 2017-09-03 11:07:49 - AlexDyachenko

40. Core-ext S"; should reference File-ext S"; (core-ext-s-should-reference-file-ext-s- #29) 2017-04-16 08:03:17 - AntonErtl

41. Implementations requiring BOTH 32 bit single floats and 64 bit double floats. (implementations-requiring-both-32-bit-single-floats-and-64-bit-double-floats- #26) 2016-12-21 14:39:40 - zhtoor

42. Directory experiemental proposal (https://forth-standard.org/proposals/directory-experiemental-proposal#reply-59) 2016-12-12 15:42:57 - GeraldWodni

43. DEFER this not :-) (defer-this-not- #22) 2016-09-02 16:14:36 - enoch

44. WLSCOPE -- wordlists switching made easier (wlscope-wordlists-switching-made-easier #20) 2016-06-18 04:19:03 - enoch

Contributions on forth-standard.org since last meeting (most recent first)

1. Etymology of SYNONYM (tools, SYNONYM #267) 2022-09-07 21:15:16 - AntonErtl

2. Support several versions of the standard in parallel ( #266) 2022-09-07 11:41:37 - ruv

3. Bogus Test Case for SAVE-INPUT (core, SAVE-INPUT #265) 2022-09-06 14:36:57 - flaagel

4. Incorrect Test Pattern (file, SOURCE-ID #264) 2022-09-06 14:26:04 - flaagel

5. Test Proposal (test-proposal #263) 2022-08-28 19:24:27 - GeraldWodni

6. >NUMBER Test Patterns (core, toNUMBER #262) 2022-08-28 11:10:27 - flaagel

7. Pronounciations (pronounciations #261) 2022-08-19 18:00:05 - AntonErtl

8. Exception word set is not optional any more (exception #260) 2022-08-18 13:50:15 - ruv

9. Should QUIT propagate exceptions? (core, QUIT #259) 2022-08-18 12:09:37 - ruv

10. Pronounciation (xchar, PlusXDivSTRING #258) 2022-08-15 14:07:41 - AntonErtl

11. Pronounciation (xchar, MinusTRAILING-GARBAGE #257) 2022-08-15 14:04:40 - AntonErtl

12. Pronounciation (double, DUless #256) 2022-08-15 13:51:36 - AntonErtl

13. Pronounciation (float, FtoS #255) 2022-08-15 13:48:50 - AntonErtl

14. Pronounciation (float, StoF #254) 2022-08-15 13:29:09 - AntonErtl

15. Pronounciation (xchar, XSTRINGMinus #253) 2022-08-14 17:47:05 - AntonErtl

16. Exclude zero from the data types that are identifiers (exclude-zero-from-the-data-types-that-are-identifiers #252) 2022-08-13 23:24:52 - ruv

17. Clarification for execution token (clarification-for-execution-token #251) 2022-08-13 20:16:29 - ruv

18. Formatting: spaces in data type symbols (formatting-spaces-in-data-type-symbols #250) 2022-08-12 15:04:29 - ruv

19. Revert rewording the term "execution token" (revert-rewording-the-term-execution-token- #249) 2022-08-12 14:18:35 - ruv

20. Implementing COMPILE, via EXECUTE (core, COMPILEComma #248) 2022-08-12 10:21:25 - ruv

21. Better API for multitasking (multi-tasking-proposal #247) 2022-07-18 00:03:00 - ruv

22. Ambiguous conition for MARKER (core, MARKER #246) 2022-07-16 10:55:40 - ruv

23. :NONAME Primitives (core, ColonNONAME #245) 2022-07-05 16:22:37 - flaagel

24. Interactions with MARKER and KILL-TASK (multi-tasking-proposal #244) 2022-06-25 15:54:21 - kc5tja

25. Stack Sizes? (multi-tasking-proposal #243) 2022-06-25 15:38:51 - kc5tja

26. Round-robin vs Preemptive (multi-tasking-proposal #242) 2022-06-25 15:26:37 - kc5tja

27. Suggested reference implementation ROT (core, ROT #241) 2022-06-23 21:59:20 - poggingfish

28. Suggested reference implementation R@ (core, RFetch #240) 2022-06-20 17:40:33 - poggingfish

29. Suggested reference implementation 2* (core, TwoTimes #239) 2022-06-20 17:34:22 - poggingfish

30. Same execution token (usage #238) 2022-06-13 22:40:38 - ruv

31. 3.4.5 conflicts with [: … ;] (usage #237) 2022-05-11 12:45:05 - AtH

32. Trigonmetric Functions in Forth (float, FSIN #236) 2022-04-11 17:49:49 - OldSpoon

33. F.3 Seems in Error (testsuite #235) 2022-04-08 17:45:25 - JimPeterson

34. Possible Reference Implementation (core, ALIGN #234) 2022-04-05 17:44:08 - JimPeterson

35. Possible Reference Implementation (core, MIN #233) 2022-04-05 14:43:43 - JimPeterson

36. Possible Reference Implementation (core, VARIABLE #232) 2022-04-05 14:05:53 - JimPeterson

37. Double> (core, MTimes #231) 2022-04-04 21:04:46 - AdrianMcMenamin

38. Question about final test (core, UMTimes #230) 2022-04-02 21:58:34 - AdrianMcMenamin

39. inconsistent naming (search, FORTH-WORDLIST #229) 2022-03-18 14:04:40 - LSchmidt

40. Accessing Remaining Data Stack? (locals #228) 2022-03-08 20:58:26 - JimPeterson

41. Contradiction With do-loops (locals #227) 2022-03-08 20:39:59 - JimPeterson

42. c-addr used in stack diagrams (core, Cq #226) 2022-03-06 21:06:16 - LSchmidt

43. Using a . suffix to specify a double (double, DZeroEqual #225) 2022-03-05 19:45:14 - flaagel

44. many tests appear to only assess interpretation semantics of test subjects (testsuite #224) 2022-02-27 21:23:05 - LSchmidt

45. chasing for dangling words referred to (testsuite #223) 2022-02-27 20:58:46 - LSchmidt

46. many tests appear to only assess interpretation semantics of test subjects (testsuite #222) 2022-02-27 18:43:57 - LSchmidt

47. I suggest to complete the test (core, POSTPONE #221) 2022-02-27 14:26:42 - LSchmidt